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Big fan of Heather and her outlook on the world. The discussions she had during CoVid definitely gave me a better way to analyze my own thinking on the topic. I was one of the people who was against the measures from the beginning, but it was Bret and Heather's dialogue that helped me properly evaluate why I thought that way and how I might be wrong.

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Love to hear it. ❤️

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Really good discussion with her. I think it would've been interesting to put forward some of her ideas of well created movies and television shows. Assuming I'm remembering correctly, I think she said at one point that Doctor Who is a show that seems to be very good on the question of evolution elsewhere in the universe.

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Yeah! I think you might be on to something. Hearing more personal thoughts from thinkers helps give us context about them.

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It’s funny how you talked about not being able to create controversy and benefit from that. I have been having similar problems. My few places where I expected controversy haven’t necessarily lead to anything. I wrote a piece about communism and fascism which I expected to cause a problem. It has minor impact but instead of anything going viral, I got restricted.

My pieces no longer were allowed in certain places which up until then had been very open.

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I don't think creating controversy is the way. I think it's a cheap shot, but when it's authentic, it works. Fascism and communism are so commonplace in discussion now it means almost nothing. Just keep following what interests you.

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Oh that’s generally what I do. It’s in the context of what I love. There’s a show with a very obvious metaphor for communism and so I explored it.

But I expected it to be more controversial than it ended up being. The intent is to come at topics like that honestly. I don’t believe in actively courting controversy but I’m not naive about what can happen when you touch on a topic like that.

Funny enough, you mention in the interview that you kinda stayed away from the CoVid topic because of the early push back in the lab leak idea. I took the opposite approach though not in my own writing. The writing I did was a refuge from the more controversial discussions I was having.

Dr Heying and her husband were a great source of thought around the issue.

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